Objects having more/infinite alterabe values

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On a completely unrelated note, the left 5 digits on this post number are 15015. The prominent number of which is 15. This is my 1111th post.

Alterable values only have 26 for objects. Global values are infinite. If you are using 26 values per object you must be doing something very complex or you are wasting values. Try having dummy objects to store important information such as map/level details etc and leave objects individual values for important thigns related only to that object.
You also have 10 strings which you can use aswell

Darkesoft, this will reuse older Values, you really only have 26, if you make AA and co you will overwrite older ones.

My suggestion is using ValueAdd Extension to add unlimited alt values to objects. Then there is no limit.

To do this without an extension, do as bigredron suggests and use very small dummy active objects. This would also make it unlimited Alterable Values.

Marv

Take maVado's suggestion and use the ValueAdd Extension.

stephen1980

Or you can use the Level-Save Object.

ValueAdd should do exactly what you want. The Level-Save object can also add unlimiter properties to an active object. Try experimenting more. Whinging about only having 26 values is not going to make the limit increase. Its how MMF2 is designed and will not be changed (maybe in MMF3)

IXIStreakIXI, why don't you use the unlimited number of Global Values for your project. In the Community RPG Project we are using global Values for everything you mentioned. Seems to me that it would be better than struggling with AV as you are. Just a suggestion.

Marv

In case you didn't know, Global values are not limited, unlike Alterables. 26 Alterable Values and 12 Alterable Strings. Most people don't know that Globals aren't limited...

I think IXIStreakIXI knows about the unlimited Globals, as he mentioned it. He may not want to recode his application to use them, although that would not be a disaster to do.

Marv

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I'm having the same troubles than the original poster. Because I'm coding custom movements, this already eats about 15 alterable values.

I've asked CT about more alterable values, and they said that they won't be doing it until MMF3, especially for compatibility reasons.
But Yves gave me a nice tip to store two values into a single alterable value. Both values to store must be an integer inferior to 65536.

//Set val1 and val2 simultaneously:
altval = newval1 + newval2 * 65536


//Set val1 only:
altval = (altval AND 4294901760) OR (newval1 AND 65535)


//Set val2 only: (with simplified variant)
altval = ((newval2 AND 65535) * 65536) OR (altval AND 65535)
altval = (newval2 * 65536) OR (altval AND 65535)


//Get val1
val1 = (altval & 65535)


//Get val2
val2 = altval / 65536

It's a bit complicated, but it works well. You can also store 4 values, but the code is more complex. I think that this technique is called bitmasking. I'm sure that a programer could explain it in details.

IXIStreakIXI

Can you please explain what problems you have with ValueAdd, it already offers unlimited values and it works with multiple objects without problems.

Olivier & all

There are more ways to combine values, simply adding them will also work if you do not touch their range:

lets say we have level and xp in our RPG

Levelrange is from 1-99, XP from 100-100000000
As long as you do not add something less then 100 XP it will work by just combining the values

25014 = 25000XP Level 14
567037 = 567000XP Level 37

In addition add math to combine miltiple values:

Base 100.000.000 (100 million)

combine Attack, Defense, Hit% all those have a range from 1-999

first value * 100000
second value * 1000
third value just add

to retrieve you just left,mid,right into 3 chunks at len(3)

Attack: 67
Defense: 122
Hit%. 87

67.122.087

on retrieve start with right$ to get 087 --> 87 Hit%
then get 122 --> 122 Defense
then get the rest --> 87 Hit%

Be creative.

And you may also use external Datastorage to store unlimited values, for example an array, just map your object with an ID and have it read and write to the array.

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Can you please explain what problems you have with ValueAdd, it already offers unlimited values and it works with multiple objects without problems.

I've tested the extension and it actually works pretty well. But it makes the code super heavy to read (see pic#1 below), and I can't monitor the values created via the debugger. I also have a problem at edit time when it comes to drag & replace objects (see pic#2 below). Besides that it is okay.

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I agree it's not very user friendly when it comes to editing and readability but once you know how it works its no problem. People who look at the code while having never used this extension will probably get lost somewhere inbetween.

For the the OP made it sound that ValueAdd is not useable which is clearly out of question as the extension works.

Again, if you have tons of values either try to combine them somehow into single values or use array, ini or similar to store all the values with a reference to the object.

Also objects have strings, I'm not sure how long those can be, probably 256 chars which is a lot of space for holding values and parse them to extract them.

I do in fact would love to have unlimited alt values or at least 256+ in the next major revision (MMF3+).

Quote from Olivier

I've tested the extension and it actually works pretty well. But it makes the code super heavy to read (see pic#1 below), and I can't monitor the values created via the debugger. I also have a problem at edit time when it comes to drag & replace objects (see pic#2 below). Besides that it is okay.

I appreciate the report, but unfortunately the images aren't loading for me. I've got a pretty good idea what you're trying to show though.