Vitalize future?

Paul I know your concern perfectly because I work in IT as well (at least ATM) and some stuff which people come with to the shop is trivial as hell.

Like I was mentioning a lot of times, Vitalise is great because of it ultra high compression and compatibility with most of extensions - Big thanks to that for Yves! But at the same time it has got it's own limitations and doesn't work so perfectly like other plugins available by other middleware companies, which are promoting their plugins quite a heck. And a great games and showcases are coming along them. But it doesnt happen with Vitalise which looks like forgotten site from 90's.

I know that it takes ages to continue developing it... And I would love to see it going on but seeing how Yves was fighting with it to make it working under MMF2... And that I totally agree with Kimera point of view I also have to say pass on it... And really im sad telling it especially that I had Vitalize installed before Flash and Java... But in last years I almost dont use it at all.

The only way to keep it is to have a dedicated person working on it and providing executable sandbox like it is with Flash.

Paul, I have to agree with you 100%. My situation is much different than that. I would never put the vitalize plug in on a public page as your scenario is more spot on than most people realize.

I, on the other hand, have paying customers and my scenario goes more like this.

Customer calls...
I have our back office open and it's asking for me to install some plug-in called Vitalize. What is this?

Support Rep...
Yes Mr./Mrs. customer, that is the software that allows you to access your services. Without it you can not manage your media.

Customer...
Oh, okay, thank you, I just wanted to make sure it was okay before I installed it.

End of issues...

Now each of these customers are worth around 10K a year to my company. That makes Vitalize worth it. I would love to see Vitalize gain the market share that Flash has but if it never does it would never effect me and what I do.

This does not negate the need for a solution for a wide user base on the web but if there is no functionality in the next versions of MMF that does what Vitalize can do, even if it's not as widely accepted by the public, it will be taking a HUGE functionality away. I am not looking for wide public acceptance for this solution. In others I do but not in this one and to be honest, out of all the things I have done with MMF, this solution is the one that has made the most money for me, for the longest period of time.

Another way I use the Vitalize platform is to create small, lightweight plug-in type programs that can be loaded and used within my MMF apps. They are quick to update and implement over the web. Taking Vitalize away would then require the new MMF solution to provide a way to create an MMF app in a smaller format that would still have the same functionality (or close anyway) of the EXE format, as with the CCN file.

Yeah I remember Split screen example done with Vitalize Apps under MMF 1.5. And it was all thanks to that small extension.

I've just noticed, Vitalize apps are the only format that the sub-application object can load?

I wouldn't worry about that, it would just be renamed to "sub-app" build type instead of vitalize.

Sorry to chime in but a WebGL exporter would be nice ... saving distances, to some extent, it reminds me of Jamagic.

Btw, many users (and some browsers) don't even like pop-up screens. So I agree with Clickteam, it's always better not to force the end-user to install any add-ons at all.

The "wow!" factor is greater when the game runs out of the box with no additional components requiered than just the browser itself.

Another thought - Vitalize is an ActiveX. This means users can embed it in various other applications, so it may still be an idea to at least have the activeX available. Think I.

Quote from Dynasoft

I wouldn't worry about that, it would just be renamed to "sub-app" build type instead of vitalize.

That's not really the point... Ideally, I'd want to be able to load normal MFAs in another MFA as a subapp, or build normal extensions into an app format that isn't limited like Vitalize! is. EG build to "Sub-application for EXE" and that'll build a file that other EXE mfas can load. Not all objects can be loaded in Vitalize - as said before, it's sandboxed. This limits it severly for use as a subapp - we need a separate format!

The CCN format doesn't limit the extensions you can use, the Vitalize runtime just can't load ccn files with non-vitalize extensions. They can still be used as subapps.

I heartilly agree with these last two posts. I was always able to port my MMF applications, that are heavilly laden with scientific caluculations, onto the web using Vitalize. Yes, there were limitations, but relatively minor.

I have purchased the Flash add on, but after spending a lot of time, have given up on ever getting these apps to work in Java or Flash. Just getting the numbers for a simple calulation formatted correctly has taken forever. I feel that the movement to Flash is going backwards, to a web based system with so many limitations which is one of the reasons I didn't want to learn using Flash to begin with.

While I, too, will continue to support Clickteam, I feel that I am being forced to find another authoring product if I want to take my applications onto the web, which is the future.

Steve

Quote from Dynasoft

The CCN format doesn't limit the extensions you can use, the Vitalize runtime just can't load ccn files with non-vitalize extensions. They can still be used as subapps.

That's good!

Ahh I remember coming across a website by accident a long time ago, that contained Vitalize games. After installing it, I played so many random addictive games, with no lag (flash is laggy for me), no long load times (java seems to do that), and more. I reckon that Vitalize will succeed, as the flash extension will bring veteran flash developers to MMF2, and they will learn about Vitalize and it's lack of limitations and high amount of awesomeness, thus proceed to promote it. Who knows.