Kickstarting additional support, upgrades and features for Fusion 2.5

Maybe it's better to wait someone Clickteam say if the company approves the idea. If you approve, I'm totally willing to help this campaign

From a logistical standpoint, unless Clickteam hosted or gave their blessing for such a Kickstarter, I can't support this idea. The legalities behind this would be more of a headache than I think Clickteam can deal with right now, especially in regards to who gets the Kickstarter money, how it gets distributed, etc. etc. It's a lot to think about and would require a lot of lawyers.

A cleaner solution, one that doesn't involve money changing hands because that always muddies the waters, would be to create a Fusion 2.5 Git project. Clickteam could either select members of the community to contribute to Fusion 2.5's source code, so they can push patches and features at a more frequent rate than Clickteam can on their own, with some commits eventually combining together into official updates for everyone; or let everyone from the Clickteam community contribute to it, eventually either combining the best commits into official updates or just letting everyone update their engine from the Git repository. This is done for many, many projects online, including Cyanogenmod, the itch.io app, FreeCodeCamp, and thousands more.

I hate to say it, but if you want to see Fusion 2.5 updated, and you want the Clickteam Community to do it, the Community is going to have to do it out of the goodness of their hearts, at least to begin with. There's been no proof that the community can commit the time needed to add fixes to the engine, or that they can even get the funds together to make it happen. I'm sure Clickteam themselves would contribute but I know we wouldn't want them throwing their money away on an unproven idea. If the community can get together and start cleaning up that bug list, IE put together some proof that they can make the engine even better, THEN it will be worth the Kickstarter. Until then it's an unproven idea, and I would rather see that the idea can be executed upon before putting money into it.

Fusion 2.5 is a dead and/or dying product.

Well it's doing well in my books, must be the living dead lol

it's definitely not dead.. would users of a dead product be releasing successful games on steam at an ever increasing rate? I don't think so.

Sounds like a very good initiative! Personally I would want push notification support for the iOS exporter to be made.

I think if you were too do this, it would be best for extensions etc. Use the kickstarter money to pay a developer to create new things for F2.5.

I don't see how a kickstarter would help work in F2.5 unless clickteam used it to fund some more programmers but i think they would get messy.

It's a nice idea. Fusion 2.5 really could use more support, to fix the issues that are in there. I think Redsquirrel brings up a good point, in that it would be best for extensions to be made for Fusion 2.5.

Clickteam community is incredible.

If Clickteam decides to do something in Kickstarter, I will always support Clickteam

all my opinions (criticism constructive, included) are for Clickteam improve!

Because I want that Clickteam have be successful

maybe they could use Patreon?

its a good idea indeed but the difficult in this case is what these changes/updates will be for starting a kickstarter campaign..lets say that a kickstarter campaign gets a green light so whats the basis?im not a owner of any license because of the event system . i want it to be more clear and user friendly like construct 2. so my priority is this...then the others. so someone else will say "no my priority is 3d not a new event system editor like vault_dweller wants, in fact the event system is great as it is" you see the situation here takes a more personal view of what someone feels that should change...i think the first part of the pre kickstart campaign is to make a poll and gather 10-20 most voted needed changes and then start a kickstarter campaign..but then i dont know what ct team has to say...i find it interesting though that the community here is active but there is a lack of communication with the devs unlike c2

I dont have money...
Even my CF2.5 is pirated...

My knowledge of fundraising mechanics is extremely limited,
so don't know about the law issues involved, nor the actual benefits Clickteam would have in the short time
(I think it could take them some time to "instruct" new programmers on how/where to apply bugfixes,
giving a code to a stranger, as talented he may be, doesn't assure he will quickly learn the methodics
or the procedures involved in updating this long-history tool
and time is probably what Clickteam would need more,
in fact I'm under the impression there's a quite "strict" team doing those fixes on he core product)

But if proven useful, would participate (with a reasonable sum! X))

The topic raised is definitely important and deserves attention.

Fusion3 seems far to come, and as someone stated,
even when ready, may need still more time to become as solid as F2.5 is now.

So, in this meantime,
I think both users and Clickteam would benefit from continued support on F2.5,
at least on most important issues.

Then the new features and speed of F3 will be worth the jump, when time comes,
with a strong user base eagerly waiting but not starving.

Would love hearing thoughts from Clickteam to understand:

-What do they need to provide this support / fixes to 2.5 we would really need?
-Are they interested in doing so?
-Is there anything we can do to help in this process?

The community seems clearly available to lend a hand,
so may be a good idea thinking how to use this valuable resource.

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i find it interesting though that the community here is active but there is a lack of communication with the devs unlike c2

That's one of the big problems with clickteam.

I hope Clickteam not understand these actions as criticism, but as a willingness to help

A suggestion: The Clickteam can sell a special license, with monthly payment, that giving access to beta testing or other advantages. It would be something like Patreon, but without involving third parties.

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find it interesting though that the community here is active but there is a lack of communication with the devs unlike c2

I agree, but besides the efforts of Clickteam to make the communication between devs more closer, the users themselves needs to be more communicative. For example, there is a big banner on the top of the community that call for the Clickteam chat, and if you downlod it, there is just a few users inside the chat. Let's go friends, let's make this more active

best regards

I'd like to bring back up dsilvers' suggestion of going towards an open source route for part (or all) of the Fusion 2.5. I agree that this is only effective if "coders" of the community are willing to help out of love, but could introduce problems when it comes to sharing copyright and the licence.

There's also having trust that the source won't be used to help the pirates get it for free or reverse engineer creations.

Possible negates aside, it means we check out the latest commits to get an idea what's being improved as it happens. Equally, it could be an incentive for a developer to prove themselves that they should be hired by Clickteam to work full time. If so many help a little, a lot can be achieved in a short space of time.

So, you could say there is a possible plan B. Unity and Unreal Engine are examples of being open to the code.

If pledging or open sourcing means there's enough developers accelerate development for both products, I'm all for it!

I would love at least one more major update for 2.5 but so far i haven't faced any real problems with it but there's always room for some improvements. I like the community alot and the ct staff themselves are all very friendly and helpful!!!