Idea : Video / Audio codec for MMF2 only

Hello,

I wish to suggest with programmers an idea with perhaps developing to be able to distribute his game with his own videos and audios files (why not ? <img src="/center/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />), in a codec especially developed for MMF2.
This codec could that encode your movies or/and audio files in a format special, usable via an extension in MMF2, which would decode these files into external, in perfect quality and low filesize ... it's an idea ...

P.s. Sorry, for my bad english <img src="/center/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Hello,

I wish to suggest with programmers an idea with perhaps developing to be able to distribute his game with his own videos and audios files (why not ? <img src="/center/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />), in a codec especially developed for MMF2.
This codec could that encode your movies or/and audio files in a format special, usable via an extension in MMF2, which would decode these files into external, in perfect quality and low filesize ... it's an idea ...

P.s. Sorry, for my bad english <img src="/center/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

That's not a bad idea, in the least perhaps it would help to prevent folks from ripping each other's sounds lol

That's not a bad idea, in the least perhaps it would help to prevent folks from ripping each other's sounds lol

Nico,
That is an interesting idea <img src="/center/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

When Yves gets a chance (poor Yves so much work piled on) to release the filter SDK so custom sound/graphic filters can be added to MMF this would certainly be something cool to work on.

Of course that doesn't stop people from recording the sounds?
How can that be stopped?

Nico,
That is an interesting idea <img src="/center/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

When Yves gets a chance (poor Yves so much work piled on) to release the filter SDK so custom sound/graphic filters can be added to MMF this would certainly be something cool to work on.

Of course that doesn't stop people from recording the sounds?
How can that be stopped?

It would be well to do something as what do RAD TOOLS <img src="/center/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/center/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

It would be well to do something as what do RAD TOOLS <img src="/center/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/center/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

I imagine that it would be "possible" to do something like this, but it would be a large investment of both time and work with a relatively small return.

I imagine that it would be "possible" to do something like this, but it would be a large investment of both time and work with a relatively small return.

but so useful, because it's very difficult, when one sees all the patents and copyrights of the codecs… to be able to have a codec dedicated for this use!
Finished the MPEG, DivX, MP3 files etc…

There would be resources 100% compatible for MMF2 <img src="/center/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

but so useful, because it's very difficult, when one sees all the patents and copyrights of the codecs… to be able to have a codec dedicated for this use!
Finished the MPEG, DivX, MP3 files etc…

There would be resources 100% compatible for MMF2 <img src="/center/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

If your just trying to go around patent and license cost -- OGG and WMV are some pretty good ways around the cost issue <img src="/center/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

As far as protecting media -- I think you would need to base the filter off something open source (like OGG) because your going to need to encode the media in addition to the development of a filter to play the media in MMF.

Now it sounds like a lot of work <img src="/center/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />

If your just trying to go around patent and license cost -- OGG and WMV are some pretty good ways around the cost issue <img src="/center/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

As far as protecting media -- I think you would need to base the filter off something open source (like OGG) because your going to need to encode the media in addition to the development of a filter to play the media in MMF.

Now it sounds like a lot of work <img src="/center/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />

Yes, it would be necessary to be based on free codecs like MPEG-1/WMV &amp; OGG…

Make codec like FLV format for Flash ?

Yes, it would be necessary to be based on free codecs like MPEG-1/WMV &amp; OGG…

Make codec like FLV format for Flash ?

Yes, I think it is a good idea.

It would only stop the totally amateur rippers. (Which I must admit is most of them.)

I mean, that if my speakers can play it, I can very easily record it, and if my monitor can display it . . .

Well you get my point. I can rip, edit, and save in multiple formats any sound that my speakers make. I’m not so sure about video (that’s not my thing), but I know how to press the “Print Screen” key and paste the image into a paint program.

But yes.

A very good idea.

<img src="/center/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Yes, I think it is a good idea.

It would only stop the totally amateur rippers. (Which I must admit is most of them.)

I mean, that if my speakers can play it, I can very easily record it, and if my monitor can display it . . .

Well you get my point. I can rip, edit, and save in multiple formats any sound that my speakers make. I’m not so sure about video (that’s not my thing), but I know how to press the “Print Screen” key and paste the image into a paint program.

But yes.

A very good idea.

<img src="/center/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

What about using Blowfish for encoding/decoding the files? Does anyone know if MMF loads the sound files into RAM before using them? Because if true, you could decode the music, load it, and encode it on the next loop. If not, I guess you'd have to hope that the "amateur rippers" don't alt-tab and find the unencoded music file.

What about using Blowfish for encoding/decoding the files? Does anyone know if MMF loads the sound files into RAM before using them? Because if true, you could decode the music, load it, and encode it on the next loop. If not, I guess you'd have to hope that the "amateur rippers" don't alt-tab and find the unencoded music file.

At the very least, In terms of codec's, what I would like in MMF2 is a simple extension that can detect what codec are on your machine.
And as an external tool attached to MMF via the toolbar a simple tool to tell me what codec a particular file needs.

That way I could test a persons machine for the codec and report, you may have problems running cos a compatible codec doesn't exist, you could try downloading from here.

Having the ability to distribute codec would also be nice, ie being able to get any of your own licenced codecs and distributing it with the application.

At the very least, In terms of codec's, what I would like in MMF2 is a simple extension that can detect what codec are on your machine.
And as an external tool attached to MMF via the toolbar a simple tool to tell me what codec a particular file needs.

That way I could test a persons machine for the codec and report, you may have problems running cos a compatible codec doesn't exist, you could try downloading from here.

Having the ability to distribute codec would also be nice, ie being able to get any of your own licenced codecs and distributing it with the application.

One could also protect the resource putting a password at playing, so that only the developer can read its video or its music since MMF2 <img src="/center/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

One could also protect the resource putting a password at playing, so that only the developer can read its video or its music since MMF2 <img src="/center/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

I've been asking this since I first found the forums back in 1999. Anyway, if you need a codec to use to play your videos, use the WMV format. Create your movies, encode them to WMV standard (Windows Movie Maker is what I use), and then anyone with Windows, using your software, will be able to see the videos. Just create a test video for them to use to make sure the correct codec is installed on their machine first.

Shooting Stars contains 40 movies, totaling over 17 minutes of footage, and they are all codec and displayed in game using the DirectShow object, all the files encoded in WMV format.

I've been asking this since I first found the forums back in 1999. Anyway, if you need a codec to use to play your videos, use the WMV format. Create your movies, encode them to WMV standard (Windows Movie Maker is what I use), and then anyone with Windows, using your software, will be able to see the videos. Just create a test video for them to use to make sure the correct codec is installed on their machine first.

Shooting Stars contains 40 movies, totaling over 17 minutes of footage, and they are all codec and displayed in game using the DirectShow object, all the files encoded in WMV format.

I don't like Windows Media Codec (WMA &amp; WMV) <img src="/center/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />

I don't like Windows Media Codec (WMA &amp; WMV) <img src="/center/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />

Don't want to look like a guy that's just having a bad day, but I must ask: what for? <img src="/center/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> There are many low-end &amp; open-source codecs all around, most of them totally undeveloped, unknown and unused. If we've got WMV and OGG (and video codec 'Theora' that's being developed by the creators of OGG) + the ability to use DirectShow for multiple codecs (some of which can be distributed with commercial applications for free, just by adding their creators to credits or adding their logo to the app) it seems quite pointless to me.

Sure - it sounds cool enough, but who will find enough time and cash just to create a codec and then give it away for free? And I guess A LOT of resources will be spent if this codec is going to have even 30% of OGG's compression power. Remember that OGG is developed for years by hundreds of people and FUNDED by Xiph. Nah... Most probably it would be just a waste of time. If OGG will give me even 5% of free space more than this mysterious MMFCODEC will - I'll still choose OGG. <img src="/center/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

Sorry for all this critising, just presenting my point of view. <img src="/center/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Don't want to look like a guy that's just having a bad day, but I must ask: what for? <img src="/center/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> There are many low-end &amp; open-source codecs all around, most of them totally undeveloped, unknown and unused. If we've got WMV and OGG (and video codec 'Theora' that's being developed by the creators of OGG) + the ability to use DirectShow for multiple codecs (some of which can be distributed with commercial applications for free, just by adding their creators to credits or adding their logo to the app) it seems quite pointless to me.

Sure - it sounds cool enough, but who will find enough time and cash just to create a codec and then give it away for free? And I guess A LOT of resources will be spent if this codec is going to have even 30% of OGG's compression power. Remember that OGG is developed for years by hundreds of people and FUNDED by Xiph. Nah... Most probably it would be just a waste of time. If OGG will give me even 5% of free space more than this mysterious MMFCODEC will - I'll still choose OGG. <img src="/center/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

Sorry for all this critising, just presenting my point of view. <img src="/center/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

[]I don't like Windows Media Codec (WMA &amp; WMV) <img src="/center/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" /> [/]

Nico, then just take a look around the web for other video codecs that can be used for free or via a "just mention our name in the credits" or "let's talk, how about having my logo there?" licence. <img src="/center/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

And keep an eye on this here little project:
http://www.theora.org/

It's a video codec under development from the creators of the OGG format. The latest stable version is from 20th June 2006. <img src="/center/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> Maybe You should take a look there?

And if You think about going for a bigger scale... I'm unsure about this - it may be just a rumor, because I've heard this some time ago from a guy who's supposed to be "in the industry" - but I've heard that Revolution Game Studios (creators of the "Broken Sword" series) got to an agreement with RAD Video Tools to use their Smacker technology for quite a lower price, based on their sales, and it was a real bargain. Not sure about this info, though.

Furthermore, why don't You like WMV? I think it's a really nice standard. <img src="/center/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

[]I don't like Windows Media Codec (WMA &amp; WMV) <img src="/center/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" /> [/]

Nico, then just take a look around the web for other video codecs that can be used for free or via a "just mention our name in the credits" or "let's talk, how about having my logo there?" licence. <img src="/center/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

And keep an eye on this here little project:
http://www.theora.org/

It's a video codec under development from the creators of the OGG format. The latest stable version is from 20th June 2006. <img src="/center/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> Maybe You should take a look there?

And if You think about going for a bigger scale... I'm unsure about this - it may be just a rumor, because I've heard this some time ago from a guy who's supposed to be "in the industry" - but I've heard that Revolution Game Studios (creators of the "Broken Sword" series) got to an agreement with RAD Video Tools to use their Smacker technology for quite a lower price, based on their sales, and it was a real bargain. Not sure about this info, though.

Furthermore, why don't You like WMV? I think it's a really nice standard. <img src="/center/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

THE idea of codec “built-in MMF2” would be that to decode would be in the runtime, and that the user will not need to install something specific.

It's necessary always base on the idea that everyone didn't know the codecs to be installed…

It would be the practical and simple side of the idea…

THE idea of codec “built-in MMF2” would be that to decode would be in the runtime, and that the user will not need to install something specific.

It's necessary always base on the idea that everyone didn't know the codecs to be installed…

It would be the practical and simple side of the idea…

Koobare thanks for the link to theora....
Its certainly something to look at when it gets moving along.

If its anything like "OGG" is for sound filed its sure to be very interesting.

Koobare thanks for the link to theora....
Its certainly something to look at when it gets moving along.

If its anything like "OGG" is for sound filed its sure to be very interesting.

Theora is amazing. I converted a 40mb MPEG to a 11mb OGG. And the quality loss is unnoticeable. Adding more OGG support to MMF2 will totally be useful. The only confusing part is that Theora videos also use the OGG extension.
(OGM files are different though.)

But on the other hand, if you read more about OGG, it makes sense. lol

Theora is amazing. I converted a 40mb MPEG to a 11mb OGG. And the quality loss is unnoticeable. Adding more OGG support to MMF2 will totally be useful. The only confusing part is that Theora videos also use the OGG extension.
(OGM files are different though.)

But on the other hand, if you read more about OGG, it makes sense. lol

It's necessary that developers are based on OGG Theora (for the video) and OGG Vorbis (for the sound) sources, and that the decoder would be in the runtime of the application <img src="/center/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

It's necessary that developers are based on OGG Theora (for the video) and OGG Vorbis (for the sound) sources, and that the decoder would be in the runtime of the application <img src="/center/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />