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Yes, AVG is certainly reliable. I mean, it even deletes MMF2 applications every now and again, because they're dangerous!Quote:
Seeing as I run a full system scan with avg free every week and delete all of the malware it finds I think we can rule that one out.
Well you see the thing is Jamie it is technically possible to make malware with MMF2 but i'm not telling anybody how, even though iv'e never gone past fake-malware and I never will.
You can't use that to justify that AVG deletes MMF2 applications.. it's also "technically possible" to create malware with any C++ compiler, but AVG doesn't delete all C++ applications.
Jamie was talking about the 5 (I think?) times in the past few years where either an MMF patch or an MMF-built game (not malware) has had AVG decide it was malware and quarantine it. One other antivirus has given us a false positive once, and no others that I know of. That's how bad AVG is at recognising viruses/malware.Quote:
Originally Posted by dragonguy
Yes it's possible to make malware with MMF, it's ludicrously easy to make one that has the icon of a jpeg, opens an embedded jpeg in your default image viewer when run and meanwhile deletes everything in your documents folder, then email it out as big*******.jpg.exe to some people you know. At least one of them will have their pc hiding the file extension and will only see the .jpg and assume it's an image. With luck they'll even forward it on to some friends.Quote:
Originally Posted by dragonguy
Voilą, malware made in MMF. Yes a lot of malware exists that works like that. No it's not very effective, but very devastating when it is. No, AVG won't notice it. Don't open random crap in emails kids :cool:
MMF2Hwa.exe : U guys missed that part. HWA is still in beta so anything you do with it might not be stable...
If it did crash. windows should have written an event log for it with the specifics.. Unless you have disabled event logging in the services.
Crazy coincidence, look what's in the news: AVG Virus Scanner Removes Critical Windows FileQuote:
Originally Posted by Jamie
LOL... I'm not surprised. I like the comment of a user :
Very true !!Quote:
I also work at a company that distributes software to millions of people every month. It is rare that we can go more than a couple of months these days without some anti-virus package telling users that some component of our software or installers contains a virus, which is completely untrue. And when this happens there is no solution to the problem. I have spent hours on the phone trying to reach several different vendors on behalf of our users before trying to get them to fix their products. It's usually impossible to get through to anyone who can actually help. You can submit a file for analysis to have it verified as clean and hope that the vendor will correct their definitions. This can take 24-48 hours, meanwhile hundreds of thousands of your customers are being falsely informed that there is a virus in your product. And no matter your reputation people tend to lose trust when there is a big red box on their screen warning them about viruses.
After dealing with this time and time again I've come to the conclusion that it's simply best to wait for end-users themselves to complain in enough volume to their AV vendors to have these problems corrected. Certainly I have never found any other solution that works faster. And still, the same vendor may falsely flag the same software just months later. You can't even QA against every anti-virus package out there, some packages update their definitions every three hours, so you can only ever know if you'll flag an AV detection at the instant of testing and even if you do know you're getting flagged you have the same problem - no way to resolve the issue with the vendor.
dragonguy, about your issue, the HWA version doesn't yet contain all the fixes of the latest official build of MMF2. The next update will contain them.
Ok I didn't know HWA didn't have the anti-crash patch, only the build 248 java-runtime has the patch.
Anyway, happy birthday Yves.
Thanks :)