Any chance of a OINC Server extension?

Python and C++ are probably the way to go for performance reasons, but it'd slow down development for me. I'd love to be able to program an OINC server from within MMF, like you could with MooClick.

Any chance of this ever happening?

I'd like that one too... ¬¬

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Originally Posted by Mathias

Okay, here goes...

This is exactly what we're trying to prevent people from doing with OINC. This is exactly why we've provided different server solutions (in contrast to Moo that only had the extension server) so people would never be restricted by MMF.
MMF2 is NOT and never will be feasible for server development, and client-side protection is NOT an option!
Some people might think that their current client-side protected servers work well, but in the end, they hit the stumbling block on various issues-- hackers emerges (trust me, they will), adding server-side features (AI, quests and whatever) is near impossible, and debugging is quite hard.
I've seen it happen multiple times (client-side protection, ask me for references), and the result has always hit a block in the end (this is an especially awful position to be in if the game has actually claimed some kind of notice).

So the overal rule for OINC server development is:

[size:14pt]Use POINC or C++ OINC for server development; I (we?) will not provide much help with servers made in MMF2.[/size]

I'm not sure whether I've mentioned this before, but I would be really happy to help people out with stuff in Poinc (I've done so several times already, actually). Python (in combination with Twisted) is seriously a breeze to work with, and I'm positively sure you guys will love it if you get to open your eyes for it! :)
Add me on MSN (and please, only Poinc things, I'm already severely occupied socially ;) ) and I'll be there.

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Guess it won't happen then, but isn't providing a stock OINC server executable going against all that? ^

Has anyone actually looked at the Oinc extension? There is a condition to Host and Stop Hosting a server. It can already be done. Right now the server cannot do anything like sending messages or managing its' connections, it just hosts.

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Originally Posted by DizzyDoo

Has anyone actually looked at the Oinc extension? There is a condition to Host and Stop Hosting a server. It can already be done. Right now the server cannot do anything like sending messages or managing its' connections, it just hosts.

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Thanks, I didn't notice that but it's still not quite what I need. Logic should be handled and enforced server-side, otherwise you're opening up your game to griefers & exploits and it'll inherently be insecure. Hence why I can't use a stock server. Corentins said the same thing, too:

http://www.clickteam.com/epicenter/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=139270&page=2

Yes, but the point is this; it's in development. Just like the rest of Oinc.

That's why I'm asking, I didn't know if this specific feature was coming or not. So it is?

Certainly is. :)

Scheduled for the next Oinc release, but that might be awhile, there's a lot to do for it.

Any updates on the server side of the extension? I think Jamie said in another thread it's still on it's way. Down the road I plan to use Python + OINC for the server but in the meantime I want to program the server logic and checks from within MMF itself and then it port it over once I have it all ironed out.


Also: people need to stop relying on the public KlikFarm server so much unless a) they're aware it's insecure and b) they're OK with opening their game up to exploits and griefers. All one would have to do is take a look at the network traffic with a packet sniffer to figure out what channels are being used for what and then create a dummy client to their advantage/entertainment. It's a regression back to the Moo/Moo2 era.

This online MMF-developed RPG I used to play in 2003 (Smileyhouse) had a community of maybe 10-20 active users. Before it's author enforced server-side checks all over the place, we had griefers who manipulated the client to control the enemy AI/spawn points. If this happened in a community of only 10 people back then, imagine what would happen now?

EDIT: Oh and godforbid someone discovers a way to crash the stock server. All these games that rely on KlikFarm or any other public server would be down until OINC's author could update it.

I'll update it, don't you worry ;)