MMF2 HWA Beta #6

Hi everyone,

Quick update, beta #6 of MMF2 HWA :

MMF2 Standard
MMF2 Developer
TGF2

This build is a beta version, please make backup copies of your applications before loading them with this version!

If any problem specific to this build, you can reinstall the previous version.

Let us know if any problem with this build, thanks !

Yves.


HWA Beta 6 - Bug fixes and new features


- Perspective object : invisible in frame editor.

- Perspective object : crash when you change its width or height at runtime.

- Sub-application object : show / hide sub-application was not working with the display as sprite option.

- Sub-application object : in standard graphic mode the "display as sprite" option is now ignored and the sub-app is opened in a window (i.e. this option now works only in Direct3D mode). Reason: this feature was causing refresh issues that are difficult to solve in standard mode with the current version of MMF2.

- Viewport object : invisible in frame editor.

- Runtime : crash when retrieving effect parameter from frame effect.

- Runtime : the "Anti-aliasing when resizing" option was broken (always set) in the previous beta version.

- Runtime : bug in Fade and Zoom transitions in non-HWA applications.

It also contains all the bug fixes of the normal version (build 249 beta 5).

Thank you Yves the update, and for your hard work!

Marv

awesome, thanks Yves!

Looks like my objects were some real trouble-makers lol :D

Nice, thanks for the update :D

LOL Andos :D

brilliant

Thanks for the update! Will the underline/strikethrough bug where neither of those work be fixed? Also a lot of my objects (eg the colour selector) don't show?

The frame of Sub-Application is not displayed at full-screen.

In that case, the display of Perspective object collapses though Sub-Application can be displayed by making "Display as sprite" enabled.

well that was an anti-climatic update

hey Yves, just checking, did you receive my file about glitches in the object's fade effects?
Thanks

Hey-- Just installed and working with this. Quick bug report- if you rotate an object and then paste it to the background, it doesn't paste rotated, it pastes as if it was never rotated at all.

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Originally Posted by astrospoon

Hey-- Just installed and working with this. Quick bug report- if you rotate an object and then paste it to the background, it doesn't paste rotated, it pastes as if it was never rotated at all.

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that goes for standard too ;)
make sure to test first. It's an intentional 'bug', since rotated pasted objects consume much more cpu.

Some ideas/requests for HWA -

In the effect editor on a laptop it's annoying slightly because theres 2 windows for each part but not much visible space. So i have a simple idea to have hide/expand buttons on them this way you just hide the one you don't need at the time and have more coding space in the other.

Also in the actual effect browser double clicking a folder name to expand it would be handy. I keep doing this for some reason and then realise it's not a feature yet and then click the small expand button. It would just speed things up slightly imo. :D

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I don't know if this would be possible but i was thinking it would be great to be able to apply a hwa effect and then use a command to bake it to the current frame of the active etc. So basically it would be like applying a effect in image editor/photoshop etc and once applied you would have the effect but as a static image and could then apply another effect over the result. This would be perfect for graphics apps, not sure about animation but im guessing it would work or you could have a bake across animation frames command also as well as the single frame and same for the background also.

The click detection for the Active System Box in a resized application (with "resize to fill window size" on) is off by far, making them, even with small resizes, impossible to click.

Shown in this mfa

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Originally Posted by MechaBowser

The click detection for the Active System Box in a resized application (with "resize to fill window size" on) is off by far, making them, even with small resizes, impossible to click.

Shown in this mfa

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I have had problems with this in non-HWA, as well.

stephen1980

Really useful feature idea -

If you apply a effect on a layer you can see it change the whole layer however when editing this is sometimes very annoying. Say if you had a load of objects and a layer effect which distorted the positions in the editor it's then quite hard to adjust them.

So basically the idea is to simply add a checkbox which says visible in editor. This way you can simply toggle it on and off and it does not effect the runtime so you could untick and edit without seeing the effect while editing but when run the effect would still be there. This would make working with effect like this much simpler to do. :)

I noticed that when you apply any pixel shaders that you sometimes get a thin gray outline around the sprite if it has an alpha channel.

Is there a way to prevent these from showing up by tweaking the shaders somehow (by not blending in the neighboring pixels)? Or by tweaking my pngs? The same outlines appear in the small frame preview windows in the animation editor as well... They seem to be blending some of the invisible alpha pixels in as black around the edges.

Looking online, it seems you can stop shaders from grabbing neighboring pixels by using TextureFilter.Point. Is this something that can be set somehow?

Astrospoon, I found a way you can influence the colour of the pixels around alpha channeled objects with shaders applied...

http://www.clickteam.com/epicenter/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=151896#Post1518 96

I hope this helps.

Bug report: Active objects will not display on top of sub application windows for me, even with "Display as Sprite" checked. This holds true even if the active objects are on a layer above the sub-app window.

Also, there is no way to adjust the order of the sub-app window, even with "Display as Sprite" checked. The options in the pop up menu to do so remain grayed out when in the frame editor.

Im on Windows XP SP3 with a Geforce 8800 GT.

I thought Sub-applications stayed on top of everything else. Is it not one of the window objects?

Marv

I got told in click chat that checking the "Display as Sprite" option should let you overlap other objects on top of it. <shrug>

I will have to try that one. Thanks astrospoon.

Marv

I did find with the sub-app, in certain positions on the frame it would force it to go on top even though it had display as sprite and other objects were put in front. I was using large sub apps - some larger than the window it was placed in. Moving the sub-apps around to find a sweet spot would fix it. Not tried in the latest build, I'll have to see if I can dig out the file that had this behaviour.

That reminds me AndyH. I was messing around with the "zoom" shader, and I came across something cool. I wanted to zoom out on my frame which was at 1280x1024. Obviously, this leaves the "streaky" edges. (Since there is no more data to display)

So I had an idea! I created a 1024x768 application, and placed a centered sub-app of the original 1280x1024. At normal zoom, you only saw the center portion of the entire 1280x1024 display, but when you zoomed out, you saw the entire larger window squished into the 1024x768 window. I tweaking the settings so the "streak" on the edges never displayed! It worked GREAT except for one tiny issue:

It did not work when you switched to "Change Resolution" mode. I guess setting the resolution to 1024x768 means that the 1280x1024 sub app won't render correctly. Which is a bummer. I was hoping MMF would still render the sub-app to a 1280x1024 buffer surface, and ignore the actual current resolution.

Sorry for maybe a stupid question, but it doesnt work in my programm. I cant install it. I have the original mmf2 standard version. Dont know what to do. maybe you can help me.

cheers

jot

What happens when you try to install it?

Oh, by the way - Strings change their text colour when you set their blending is > 0 even if you try and force it constantly in the events editor.

If you set the colour to bluish (128,128,255) it turns red (255,128,128).

Just a reminder: sub-app (settings: pop-up window & modal) still doesn't show up in full screen!

Yeah, bit of a drawback that - I think I heard it might be impossible to sort-out for some ... reason that's probably beyond me.

But the Modal option was a Windows interface feature that basically wasn't available in HWA.

It would be nice if some kind of work-around could be stuck-in though.

an option to emulate a specific shader version (or entirely missing shaders) would be great

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Just a reminder: sub-app (settings: pop-up window & modal) still doesn't show up in full screen!

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They will NEVER show up in full screen. Windowed objects cannot work in HWA full screen mode. The only solution to see a sub-app object in full screen mode is to select the "Display as sprite" option, this option was added specifically to address this issue.

Yves, just checking, did you receive a file entitled "simple_spread.mfa" with glitches on a smoke with additive blending?

Is there any way of adding another option that imitates the pause effect of a modal sub-app, even though it is being displayed as a sprite ie...
[ ] Display as Sprite
--- [ ] Pause Parent-Application while Sub-App running.

any chance of flame object anytime soon?

In the HWA effect code editor it would be very useful to have undo/redo with a decent amount available. Code highlighting of the text would also be great and for errors found it highlights the whole line so if it's a long bit of code it's easy to find. So maybe making it a bit like Scintilla or something i guess which would make coding much simpler in my opinion.

Another useful idea would be to be able to import a image to preview the effect or maybe just have a few to choose from. Better yet to make the editor not locked so you can actually apply the whole effect on the frame and just move it out the way or minimize without having to save or exit it first.

Resizing a subapp with "display as sprite" checked doesn't work.
EXAMPLE HERE

Hi Everyone

Did anyone ever had bugs / trouble with hwa and phizix? It seems that everytime when i move my phizic objects, they get transparent. then they appear again (sometimes...its like flashing). I hope someone know this problem.

cheers

Jot

The chipmunk version doesn't support float angles that HWA uses, so you'll have to update the angle manually. Attach the object with no rotation and set the angle to the body's angle in an always event.

The Box2D version should work fine though.

Soft Edges/Borders

Does anybody know if i can solve this problem:
i want to have soft / alpha edges. those png pics
work fine in mmf2 standard mode but NOT in Hwa
mode. is there a shader (...)for this problem?
here is the screenshot:

http://www.ilikescifi.com/border.jpg

What i wanna do is "substract" as effect. but it is just
not working (just like any other shader from the hwa
group.... the "none" shader alltough works ;)

thx again and again

jot