Best way to do scrolling like this?

I am planning to do some scrolling like in this game: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apeHjATtp6g

Here is the actual game if you want to try it
http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/576424

Basically I am asking for what the best way to achieve this kind of scrolling is? As you can see in the game you can fly very very high, but do you guys think this is done by having a very tall frame, or is there some other simpler way to do it? It would be nice if its possible to simulate this or wrap it somehow so it can go on forever if possible? If this is possible is there some example of this out there?

The reason I maybe think this is one very tall frame is that when he drops you can see him fall all the way down again..

It could be just a short frame and the rest of the objects are scrolling?

Yeah I think it is just one picture really. Some objects like the ground, sun etc. might be moved below the bottom of the frame and moved back when you get close to the ground (your altitude is probably stored so you know when you are getting low), where the speed the objects comes back into the frame is the speed that you are falling in. Wow that was hard to explain. And then I think they just change the gradient color of the background depending on how high you are, and place random clouds and drops :P

That's what I think at least!

The more I play this game the more I''m thinking that there is a lot more going on than what we're thinking, but still not sure. Like for instance,.when you're flying and make it pretty far into the flight,.a line appears that gives you your height that you just flew and the clouds moving sideways and appear in different groups. Now I'm saying it can't be done the way we are thinking,. but seems way more involved than that.

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Originally Posted by TheSmanman

The more I play this game the more I''m thinking that there is a lot more going on than what we're thinking, but still not sure. Like for instance,.when you're flying and make it pretty far into the flight,.a line appears that gives you your height that you just flew and the clouds moving sideways and appear in different groups. Now I'm saying it can't be done the way we are thinking,. but seems way more involved than that.

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It seems hard to "fake" the scrolling. There was some guys trying to do it on the gwerdy chatt, but there was no really working results :/ Is there no way to make a really tall frame, but make it possible to transfer the player and all game states to a new frame if the player reaches maximum height of the first frame? That way it could go on forever.. hmm

Well,.this game it seems you'll never reach the top before running out of fuel,..lol. What is the maximum frame height in MMF?

32267 If I Recall

To me it looks like a really tall frame with objects scrolling down. If you'll notice the gradient for the sky gets darker as you go up, and the only real way I can think of to accomplish that is a very long quick backdrop with gradient shading. It doesn't seem like a normal size frame with created objects scrolling back and forth.

Shawn, I agree and I also tried to duplicate it using a small frame and scrolling the objects down. I looked really bad,...So I ended up doing a 320x 5000 and used a gradient backdrop. It looks much better and I was able to do the jetpack movement also. It took awhile to do and I need to get a few bugs out, but it looks pretty good so far.

You know what's cool about this game is how the raindrops are created. I have no idea how that's done. It's really different because when you pass them, they stay on the screen below you. Maybe if the character is above the rain drops there is an event the stops them from falling to the ground and then when you run out of fuel and you start to fall the raindrops start moving again. Not sure if that's the way it works though. Any thoughts??
I was able to get to over 6000m and bonus stars start to appear. Cool game, but hard!!

One thing I wonder is how to do the fall speed increase like when you are falling? With my pmo object when my character falls, he does it in a quite slow speed that is stable no matter how far you fall.

You can increase the speed of the fall by every so many milliseconds add 1 to speed when character is facing down direction.

The more I look at this game the more I'm thinking this is layered scrolling??

I have tried to get to some end some times but if it exist I have not made it yet.. my record is 15656.70m

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Is there any means to do that? I mean to change the background colour of the frame to appear darker or lighter at certain points?

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If he isn't using a tall frame with a quick backdrop, only thing I could think of is to use a shader possibly to adjust the color of a background layer. Or do something ridiculous like scroll a background active. I don't think the shader method would transition smoothly like that unless you had one designed specifically to do that. Just changing the additive color or what have you wouldn't really work that great or smooth.

Edit: Nevermind, it's a Flash game, can't be shaders. I'm convinced it's just a tall frame with a quick backdrop.

To me it doesn't seem like it's just changing the background color though. It looks more like a smooth gradient that scrolls up as you move higher. I wasn't knocking it for being a Flash game, just that you can't use hardware shaders in Flash so my shader example wouldn't work.

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Originally Posted by OldLongDragon

Yes, this is why I think that MMFD2 is superior to Flash ;) and a lot more sensible to operate, I find. In any event, somebody did suggest that there's more going on here. This is true, there is always more going on here which may not be apparent at first. Would we want somebody else to know all our secrets? ;) ;) ;)

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We are just brain storming here about the game. How it was done and so forth.

Outcast,..I'm working on this and when I get it done, I'll send you the open source. Sound good? Just give me a few days!!

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Originally Posted by TheSmanman

Outcast,..I'm working on this and when I get it done, I'll send you the open source. Sound good? Just give me a few days!!

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Sounds awesome! Thanks!! :D

Did you guys ever find an elegant way of doing this?