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Hello there,
I was wondering how is it done so if you have an Universal App (iPhone and iPad), to have different set of image buttons for the joystick and button 1 and 2. My game is for iPad, but surprisingly it runs great on my iPhone 4S, but the joystick images are huge because it was for the iPad.
Thanks in advance
Renato
Also wondered about this and reported long time ago. Now I installed the Manos game which is universal, too - and there the images work. So, what are we doing wrong?
Perhaps DistantJ can enlighten us. This is a major issue if it can't be done directly in MMF2 to switch or resize the buttons...I can't believe CT hasn't looked into it already.
I didn't use the built in joystick stuff, I made my own using active objects and multiple touch, then I used the iOS object to detect the device model name and stored it in a global string, if that string reads "iPad", my objects shrink and re-position for iPad. :-)
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That's what I thought...I will send a message to CT, because I can't believe I am going to have to launch two apps, one for iPad and another for the iPhone simply because of this problem...and I can't go back and re code a 4 year old project to do what DistantJ did.
That's what I like when using MMF. Things seem so easy, but then there are these flaws which require so much time to workaround. Cool solution, DistantJ, but I hope the joystick will work fine someday. I want to use my games on various runtimes without having to code such basic controls for each runtime.
They used to work fine before, as in they used to shrink down for iPhone and grow bigger for iPad. So just report it in the beta testing area and they should fix the issue in no time :)
I reported this months ago, including a demo. Not sure if it's hard to fix or my message got lost. Gotta retry.
I also report this long time ago and never has been resolved, I hope to do so soon. Here I have a post with images where shown the bug:
http://community.clickteam.com/showthread.php?t=68789
Yes...I remember this a while ago, but CT simply ignored it...I honestly do not think this would be so hard to implement, and what sucks is that my game is up for being deleted from the Apple Store at the end of this month, if CT doesn't do anything about this shortly I am going to have to post pone the release of the game yet again.
They look bigger, but there size is identical : does the size of your fingers change when go from iPod to iPad? We actually reduce the images by two to have them displayed at the correct dimension...
I thought they were reporting that the size no longer changes? Looking at the linked thread, this is completely intentional - as Francois says, the iPad is bigger so the joystick shrinks to still fit the fingers.
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Wait now I am lost, what is intentional? The dimension of the Joystick graphic for the iPad and iPhone should be the same then?
The joystick and buttons should be smaller in relation to the game on iPad, so that they are roughly the same size physically on the different devices, since using the iPad doesn't make a person have giant fingers :P
Oh...okay, then I should resize the buttons on the iPad side to match the iPhone's? Also, would it be that difficult to be implemented, different graphics for different devices to MMF2? Just like you have different images for the launch screens...
Of course, now there's the iPad mini, so they might not want to be quite as small? And iPad with Retina - just to complicate things further!
Can't we have an option to disable resizing? I just want to use a fixed size, optimized relative to the rest of screen content.
I don't understand what you mean by this François, Retina iPhone has almost the same resolution as the iPad 2, I do not understand because it looks twice the size the Joystick on the iPhone, is more I dare say that this shape is not functional a Joystick so great on the iPhone and iPod Touch! Look at the pictures of the post that you place in a game landscape steals your screen too and in a portrait game almost takes your 80% with a single shot, with two button already it is crazy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Francois
I was talking about the non retina ipod and iphone : the size of the joystick has to be reduced on those devices.
Images that I put for example are on an iPhone 4 (retina), this device will reduce by half? The iPad 1 and iPad 3 the size of the Joystick is perfect.
That's really confusing. What should I do when making a screen layout optimized for 960x640? Looks fine on iPad2, should I scale up iPad 3? Since I have oversized buttons on iPod3GS I assume I have to scale them down for non-retina devices. But how do I detect the display type I have to adjust to?
All of this confusion would be fixed by having different sizes for the joystick images, so they would adjust depending on the display resolution and device. Here is an example of the problem in images...hopefully it clarifies what's the matter, look at the iPhone screenshot and at the iPad one, and look at the Joystick images, is this really intentional?
iPhone
http://www.eivix.com/games/GalaxiaIOS/iPhone.jpg
iPad
http://www.eivix.com/site-en/imagens...ns/ipad013.jpg
Renatos, excellent example and your game, you're using reduce colors than good graphics?
Renatos example is equal to mine, not is because they confuse with this theme, the size on the iPhone (Retina or not Retina) is failing. This is an old bug.
Koji_Kabuto...I don't know what you mean...you mean image compression? Not in all, but many yes...since the game is rather large, it ran slow in slower devices.
Yes, compression of images, lol, sorry my bad English.Quote:
Originally Posted by Renatos
The backgrounds are excellent, are compressed?
No, backgrounds are not image compressed.
No, it should enlarge the images, so that they appear the same size on a higher resolution screen.
So Francois, are you confirming this is a bug then?
No, he's saying that you made your images too large which is why they overlap on the iPhone. On iPad the images can afford to be a lot smaller than they are here. If you hold your iPad and iPhone together you should find that the buttons are the same size, physically. It makes sense because nobody's thumbs grow when they use an iPad.
If you want further control over it, you can manually create your own overlay controls with active objects and the multiple touch object, that's what I always do.
Well I have resized it already as mentioned and they do work now, BUT I don't fully agree with this. But either way I got it working, thanks for the input DistantJ.
For me this is a bug, makes no sense what is happening and the solution is not to create our own Joystick with Multitouch. It is obvious that when you create a Universal app Joystick comes folded in small devices, which makes non-functional. They have the proof in your hands, both mine and Renatos are seeing it visually. We wander not attention seeking other solutions, try François and Andos can review our codes to make them find, incidentally, have mine and you can try right now.
The joystick image sizing works like this:
They are designed to be 2cm in diameter on iPad and 1.5cm on iPhone/iPod regardless of your window resolution/size if the joystick images are 80x80 in size (the default joystick size).
If you provided new joystick images sized 160x160 they would appear twice as large ~ 4cm on iPad and 3cm on iPhone/iPod.
It was designed like this because while screen resolutions and screen sizes differ in size across your devices, your fingers does not.
You can see this demonstrated here:
http://www.andersriggelsen.dk/clickt.../joystick1.jpg 1024x768 (fit outside setting)
http://www.andersriggelsen.dk/clickt.../joystick2.jpg 320x240 (fit outside setting)
The iPad and iPod Touch is displaying the exact same .cci file in the same image.
I get it, but I don't agree with the fact we do not have a choice to adjust it to the size we choose. That's all.
My images for the Joystick are 80 * 80 and it seems to me that I see them in the iphone more than 1.5 cm, I will check. Do now Andos, I wonder if I provide images of 40 * 40, going down screen 1 cm on the iPad 0.75 cm on iPhone?Quote:
Originally Posted by Andos
Thanks for your answer!
People's fingers don't grow or shrink; it should be the same physical size on both devices, NOT the same pixel size. I thought this was a blessing to be honest. When I put Awesome Land out with my custom buttons (active objects and multiple touch) a lot of iPad users gave negative feedback about the buttons being large when upscaled to iPad. With MANOS I detected the device with the iOS object and shrunk the buttons down if running on iPad for that reason. Obviously things get a little more confused now that e iPad Mini is out, but It'd be crazy for the buttons not to work this way...
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Easy code to fix all of this. My joystick image is 150x150 and my buttons are 70x70. This has been tested on the iPhone 5, iPod 5G, iPad 2, iPad 3, iPhone 4S and iPod Mini with retina and non-retine displays.
Open your iOS project and look for Classes\Application\CJoystick.m.
Under the -initWithApp method look for "if(UI_USER_INTERFACE_IDIOM() == UIUserInterfaceIdiomPad)" and replace that whole if with the following:
Code:if(UI_USER_INTERFACE_IDIOM() == UIUserInterfaceIdiomPad)
{
minSizeInCm = 14.8;
desiredScreenSizeInCm = 2.0;
}
else
{
if ([[UIScreen mainScreen] respondsToSelector:@selector(displayLinkWithTarget:selector:)] &&
([UIScreen mainScreen].scale == 2.0)) {
// Retina display
minSizeInCm = 14;
desiredScreenSizeInCm = 2.5;
} else {
// Non-Retina display
minSizeInCm = 7;
desiredScreenSizeInCm = 1.25;
}
}
It also works well with the joystick images at 100x100.