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I'd love to see some extended videos of the different types of gameplay (racing, flying, top-down etc) you've got in the trailer there. I feel like they flick between each gameplay type too quickly so I don't get enough time to study what's going on and whether it'd be worth looking into.
I'm almost always open for freelance work, so I'll write you a PM in case you'd like to hire me. I'm pretty confident the shader could be made.
Thanks Walrus for getting in touch!
@ Kritter:
I'm planning preparing some playable example too, but unfortunately didn't have time up to now.
Beside this, the engine main focus is getting on screen the "3D scene" you prepare,
it includes preset movements for general situations (fps, racing, 8directions, flying..)
but you're absolutely free to create your own and customize the gameplay to fit your game.
For a playable P3D game with a third person camera,
you can already try Quadratic Attack 3D demo made by Happygreenfrog here
(action shooter, retro-styled, inpired by megaman NES era)
Playable or video would be great, would give potential buyers a chance to better see what they're getting themselves into!
Well, as schrodinger said, my game made with P3D has a playable demo available (just finished up releasing a new version, in fact!). :) Only covers third-person platform shooters, but hey, it's something. :)
http://gamejolt.com/games/quadratic-attack-3d/118422
P.S. The somewhat odd control scheme is something I came up with myself. You can use Control+Y to change it, if you want.
Hello clickers,
I'm bringing up this thread to announce P3D version 1.1 is now available,
if you already purchased version 1.0, you can download the new version by logging to your clickstore account,
you will also find (brief & quick) updating instructions inside the package.
The user manual has also been revised with new features,
and some sections have been expanded basing on your suggestions.
Thank you for your very valuable feedback,
many of the bugfixes have been applied following your suggestions and bug-reports!
I'll also make a short clip showing the new features soon.
Then, finally, some quick tutorial video on basics X)
Meanwhile, here is the changelog:
new features:
++ dynamic light sources: added "glow" qualifier for static sprites / physical can be used with any "static sprite" (group.foreground) and any "physical object" to create a dynamic light source lighting the surroundings
++ dynamic world lighting: allows for every "world" element (3D objects, static & movable sprites and background layer) to be lit up or down in realtime, allowing for global effects like day/night cycles etc.
++ enhanced 3D collisions now more solid and extended to all physical objects ("enemies" included)
++ added texture bleeding option ("X" in the multi_options string) gets rid of (most) gaps between flat 3D objects, by growing the texture of 1 pixel per side
improvements:
+ synced more preset animations for preset movements: now also falling and running animations (beside walking, jumping, appearing, disappearing)
+ added behind-collision against sloped planes: now you stop (and not jump over!) when hitting a sloped plane from the wrong direction
+ quicker depth sorting calculations, improved expressions with same (or slightly better) results,
+ improved hide overlap feature for cameras, particularly for isometric camera (hides polygons between camera and player with much more precision)
+ background layer horizon position on X rotations (when Y rotations are disabled) allows for full X rotations of viewpoint without losing horizon connection
+ improved gravity code responsiveness for all physical objects
+ improved deceleration code for all preset movements, now you can tweak them in a much more responsive way
bugfixes:
- fixed double_faced parameter "invert" function for 3D objects (was broken for top/bottom faces)
- fixed static sprites shadows going out of sync with offscreen parents
- animations getting "stuck" fixed for preset movements
- fixed "sliding in depth" issue in 8 directional movement, while walking straight against obstacles, when camera is at perpendicular 90° angles
I personally would like to see a build demo, not just game examples. If there were a few screen shots or a video of how a basic game is assembled I would be far more interested in buying.
From what I've seen, I am leaning towards buying. And the space fighter sim really has me pushed in that direction, as it reminds me of a game I built a few years back called Thirdspace. I might even use this to resurrect that project.
This might be the thing to get some dust-covered ideas off the shelves and into real production once again.
Good point,
tutorial videos should serve that purpose too
(showing how "creating" a game level works with P3D)
and a built game example is planned too...
only problem is having just 24 hours a day XD
Thank you for your interest!
Thanks Schrodinger, but it doesn't look like the download has updated, I am still getting the 1.0 download.
Oh - really?
I can see:
"P3D ___ 1.1 ___ 7.36MiB"
among downloads, I guess it doesn't appear on your side?
If you can confirm I'm going to check with Clickteam, thanks!
Is there a way other than paypal to buy things from the clickstore? google checkout was discontinued, and paypal has changed their terms to where they need your photo ID and a picture of your social... not gonna happen. I was hoping I could just pay directly with my card, like I did when buying fusion.
I don't know about anyone else, but I am having a hard time downloading 1.1 without being charged again. I logged in.
Marv
Logged in and looking at downloads. Only seeing 1.0.
I see: (looks like I have to buy again to download, and there's nothing new in my Account/Downloads
Attachment 18926
OK guys going to check with Clickteam,
thank you for spotting this out and sorry for the problem!
Really????? :oQuote:
paypal has changed their terms to where they need your photo ID and a picture of your social
That's so bad!
I have a paypal account since many years and luckily they never asked me for that,
if there are other payments methods on clickstore, I'm not aware, I'll ask for that too.
(btw, seems like I can't add P3D nor some other products to my cart ..
maybe there's some issue on the clickstore, hope they'll be able to fix soon)
Time to get Jeff's attention about the clickstore issue. Maybe there's a back-end issue for uploading updates to applications.
I've never needed a DL or SSN image to buy and sell. When did they change that?
It's for signing up, snatchsoft
Download is working now. Checking out the improved 3D platform example with extra anims and lighting. Smashing.
Cheers Schrodinger :)
Fine!
Glad it's ok now, thanks for getting back!
And thank you for all your suggestions Caesar ;)
btw - we've spotted a little issue (thanks happygreenfrog)
since we're updating to 1.1, I thought it would've been better going for the best possible file
and so... I'm triple checking it before refreshing the file online...
...but version 1.101 should be up today XD>:)
(just a small fix on first person "strafe" movement, you could not even notice)
sorry again, this project is getting very wide and it's hard taking into account every possible situation
Happy you're enjoying new lighting & animations features! :)
Uppon closer inspection viewing the videos illustrating what this Engine is capable of, however envious, i have to bow down out of respect for this accomplishment.
The achievement in itself is one thing, but recognizing the new dimencion it adds to Fusion in the form of a new springboard for creative developments ( judging by the videos generated of this engine in this thread ) adds that much more than the engines creation alone.
My aim is not to waste a post on flattery, i just want to express that this is really something imo and that this extends Fusion beyond the level of an addition to an entirely new level, for the Users to enjoy, however retro one might define this extencion.
Ill defnitively get around to using it eventually.
( clapping Smily )
Prior to this, the Mod7ex Extencion ( very limited as far as i could derive from using it ) and the Raycaster Object ( engine? ) was the ceiling of 3D for Fusion, if im not horribly wrong.
I don't see (at least here in the USA) where you need photo ID and your SS number to use Paypal for purchases.
The parts where they want you to link a credit, debit or bank accounts just select skip
Then you should be able to just type in your payment information when you purchase and not have it stored at Paypal.
(If your concerned about that)
We have looked over all the microtransactions providers and Paypal is about the only one we can use given the volume of sales in Clickstore.
Its not high enough for us to directly use a credit card processor for this -- We might be able to on some of the higher end items like P3D but not for the 99 cent items. I'll take a look at that.
@ King_Cool: thank you
it's rewarding reading your post after working so much on this project.
I think best quality of P3D is being totally integrated (made in) Fusion, thus making for very wide customization/ range of application,
and as you say, opening to new possible "perspectives" X)
For sure there are limitations in this framework,
and I hope I made them clear enough in product description and online reference (going to grow soon!)
I'm sorry I've not yet been able to provide as much informations as I would have liked, particularly on the editing process,
but I gave priority to improvements and bugfixes - now that 1.1 is pretty solid, I can finally spend some time on this.
On retro-look, I've come to think it mostly depends on the power we can unleash,
-and obviously the fact we're using a pixel shader XD-
there's not that huge difference in what a full-blown 3D engine does with coordinates on screen, the rendering pipeline, at its basic, is very similar
(beside clipping: I tried to do that in first betas, prior to face the fact it couldn't be handled without changing polygon shapes, something we can't decently do, and the few possible applications were also a little more intensive than what we currently do)
..and so, maybe in the future (Fusion3?), with more capabilities (vertex shaders? DirectX11?), this project could even approach different lands... who knows.
As of now, I think it's fun and nice getting chance to plug some 3D in Fusion,
without too much hassle, in a somewhat friendly environment.
@ Jeff: thanks for checking! It's great having Clickteam close to the community :)
As a final note for users:
there's really much going on behind the curtain of events,
and creating a full manual would have required three times the pages,
four times my available time, and six times your patience to read through XD
So, anyone interested/curious/already using, feel free to make any question on what's/why's going on, small how-tos etc.
As already said, I really hope to fill this gap myself soon.
Have you considered a wiki instead of a manual?
No I didn't think of it, but it's a pretty cool idea Ziplock!
I should first migrate the actual user manual I already prepared there,
and then possibly expand time by time, which is what I would like to do..
Could replace the "FAQ" page I was thinking at...
Will thoroughfully consider this option, thanks!
I love the dynamic lighting, good stuff Schrodinger!
Great, glad you liked it! :D
It came out after your suggestion in this very thread,
I did some testing on dynamic lighting before
but mostly thought of dynamically updating "movable" 3D objects faces (basing on their shifting angle/position)
While making something with light sources, as in this update,
is much more useful and came out not that "bulky" as I was fearing.
Looking forward to see your work-in-progress with lighting then X)
@ all users:
I've just been informed version 1.101 has been loaded in the product page:
http://clickstore.clickteam.com/p3d_3d_framework?keyword=P3d
so you can grab it if you need to get that little "strafe" movement fix I was mentioning some posts ago
(and a little change to gravity code, for allow slopes working with gravity at 0,
hardly applicable in 99% situations, but now can be done..)
Hope following (if any >:)) bugfixes will be very limited,
but let me know if you spot any bug at support@lizardking.co
I will be happy to provide quick-fixes and load changes for following versions.
I'll always try making cumulative updates,
-if nothing big comes out to make for a quick-correction-
as we already did for 1.1 version
Jeff, I really appreciate your looking into this!
Unfortunately, paypal did do that for me. I made my account shortly after P3D came out, signed everything up, skipped the linking etc, but it told me that before I could add funds to my account from my card and make purchases that I needed additional information and I also recieved an email telling me the same: Attachment 18938
I went to the resolution center and it told me to send proof of identity (driver's license) and proof of social to them because of a TOS change. I searched around and found several threads full of disgruntled people with the same issue. I had already supplied everything the email detailed, AND linked my mobile. I terminated my account shortly after.
I'll try making a new account and doing what you said about typing payment info in at the purchase thing
Thanks for your hard work!
Thanks for supporting this project Crian!
hope you're doing well with the engine, let me know if any need :)
You should be able to purchase without adding the funds to your account.
You would use your credit card at time of purchase.
I am looking into the possibility people could buy a credit voucher elsewhere and load it into their CS account, but this would have some sort of minimum like $25, well see if it works out.
Jeff, when I remade my account I got no notifications or problems. It worked perfectly fine this time, which is really odd; I wonder why it wouldn't even let me buy things before?
Schrodinger, I love tinkering with P3D so far. It's really flexible and fairly easy to work with. I especially like how quickly you can throw a level together: probably what you intended. Great job!
It doesn't run the best on my dinky laptop, which has about the same processing power as the average toaster, but I can still manage at least 30 fps on most scenes.
A few nitpicks/questions:
-is the "follow" camera rotating in a tiny circle behind the player, even when standing still, the result of a bug in the easing?
-I noticed that when you jump while on raised objects, your shadow snaps to bottom-ground level until you land. This is something I can probably fix myself, but I figured I should let you know, in case it went unnoticed since being unable to use your shadow as reference can make 3D platforming tough
-going down slopes seems a little shaky/inconsistent
Overall very solid attempt at something so complicated. I'm going to read through the rest of the manual later, and keep messing with it!
Hey Casleziro,
thank you man
I'm glad you're having fun so far (and that you managed to get through paypal safe :))
I'm always looking to improve performances, and will continue testing other solutions,Quote:
It doesn't run the best on my dinky laptop, which has about the same processing power as the average toaster, but I can still manage at least 30 fps on most scenes.
sample files included are structured around a i5 machine,
if you didn't already, you can try lower a little "render_depth" in the P3D_engine object, if you want to quickly test some higher speed
(and there's a dedicated page in the manual on performance improvement for other tips if you want to take a look)
It was intentional, to give some extra "breathing/natural/alive" feel to the sceneQuote:
-is the "follow" camera rotating in a tiny circle behind the player, even when standing still, the result of a bug in the easing?
but I can see as this could be unwanted XD
could think at making this optional in next updates!
Oh, thanks, looks like something to fix, will take a look at this!Quote:
-I noticed that when you jump while on raised objects, your shadow snaps to bottom-ground level until you land. This is something I can probably fix myself, but I figured I should let you know, in case it went unnoticed since being unable to use your shadow as reference can make 3D platforming tough
This is probably due to low gravity, you can try raise gravity a little (in P3D engine object) and see if gets betterQuote:
-going down slopes seems a little shaky/inconsistent
actually, by design, when you go down slopes, your "ground level" gets leveled to slope inclination, and gravity pushes you against it.
I had think at giving player exact slope level while descending, but thought this other way would have been more natural/flexible
- guess It can be unwanted instead XD
Thanks for reporting on your experience so far!
I did lower the render_depth and it helped quite a bit. I was able to get it to 50-60 this way at around 800 (that might be the max, with some FPS drops around there when moving) and below
Yeah I figured the camera rotation might have been intentional, but wasn't quite sure.
I see about the slopes. It does make it much better when increasing the gravity. It's a nice option to have slopes implemented the way you did, though: I can think of several situations where it would be wanted. The kart example comes to mind because flying off ramps is fun!
But, having more options is always cool if you're willing to implement them. If I come across any bugs (especially visual, because of the great shader mystery lately) i'll report back.
Definitely, I've tried to be as general as I could, to allow for more situations/ideas, but there's always that extra feature/modification one would haveQuote:
But, having more options is always cool if you're willing to implement them. If I come across any bugs (especially visual, because of the great shader mystery lately) i'll report back.
(actually you can even customize the engine itself, but I don't suggest very much this way because you should keep track of your modifications,
in the event of future updates you would risk losing / will be forced redoing your tweakings,
- while no drawback doing additions "outside" the engine)
Thanks for bug-reporting, it is very useful, and this shader thing is very scary,
hoping for some clear answer/solution being found soon.
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Forgot to link to latest quick video on the 1.1 upgrade >:),
mostly illustrating the lighting additions:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmGIuPJbzuU
I discovered a little work around for making Polygons interactive, I noticed that any sprite based object retains the usual fusion interactivity like mouse overs and clicks ect but Polygons don't (unless using a bullet collision, but they fire from center of character/screen which is not ideal) so in order to get around that I just put a sprite where the polygon is, set it to Always invisible, this now allows me to click on the polygon as if I would any other sprite in Fusion... its a little buggy in parts but not to the level where it causes me to rage quit lol.
I tried doing dynamic creation of polygons, I can get the visuals to load, but the collisions don't work because collisions are calculated at start rather than during runtime. I'd be interested to know what function/loop/flag I'd have to set to trigger the engine to refresh collisions so that all new polygons receive collision detection. I know Sprites retain collisions even at runtime, which is fantastic, but I can't manage to get it working with polygons.
Reason I ask is because this engine needs a level editor badly, and the only way to make one is through dynamic polygons generated at runtime. (though a work around would be to just tell the user to simply save and reload the level which *Should give proper collisions). But honestly I'd really like to be able to call this function as the polygon is placed. Having to place polygons by hand was getting really tedious... like REALLY tedious doing it in the frame editor. (honestly I immensely dislike the Frame Editor for doing this sort of work and always use dynamic tilesets instead, its faster and less tedious and lets me code my own methods- plus I can stream the data which makes levels infinite in size (limited by memory obviously) versus the frame editor which doesn't cope very well with large map sizes (and I mean REALLY large map sizes))
Also the Engine runs really well if you're using single sided polygons. I gotta applaud you for getting animated textures working so memory efficiently as this is something even AAA engines struggle with sometimes, P3D seems to run with it easily.
Once again, fantastic engine, one of the easiest 3D engines on the market.
Some things people might not be aware of yet with the castle demo.
You can change your character's view height through lizzard_player - this changes the height of the camera in First Person and Follow mode.
The actual camera controls are in the camera tool which is on the projection layer, look there for the easing settings, it also controls the max number of view types as well. I found this useful for eliminating the lag time between Follow camera and Look At Target camera (as its really long!) so you can change this to where it is basically instant (you could also chain cameras together to basically create a cinematic camera that pans around a level this way).
Schrodinger
How would I go about disabling the engine to scale with the window size? I would like to keep everything a base size and just resize the window manually with window control object and fusion's setting
EDIT: figured it out
LOL Nevermind the point I made about the collision detection, it is by default dynamic, you just have to not be dumb like me and create the object on the wrong layer LOL. haha
Creating the polygon on Maps works. Well done you've thought of everything schrodinger. Hopefully I can get a level editor working with this.
Glad you sorted out everything on your own guys,
be sure to ask if something's unclear as, like you already discovered, most things should work/be doable
but maybe can be not that intutive at first X)
@ MrCyberpunk: glad you've solved your issues, yeah, it often happened to me also creating things in wrong layers and damnating for hours looking for possible causes XD
Collision is always referenced in the "Map" layer, so everything must stay there to be detected
(although "Z levels" are calculated also with real 3D coordinates, i.e. try jumping over the rotating wheel or crates in the castle example)
I could add a default "move to layer Map" for 3D objects creation to avoid this little annoyance happening in the future.
Even though I only covered event-editor level creation in the manual, I definitely encourage using level editors,
and although none is embedded by default, P3D should have no issue working with anything custom you can build.
Very happy hearing you're going well with it and having easy times making your own worlds, this is what I was hoping most for users.
Thank you for your report & suggestions also!
@ casleziro: it was resize display to fill window size ticked/unticked? Or something else?
The engine should'nt resize basing on window size on its own, as all "scaling" is mostly based on "lens_zoom" engine parameter.
Changing window size can affect the number of polygons on screen, as will modify the "view angle" used to determine what gets inside view area/stays outside (like render_depth does for depth)
edit: a quick tip for making a level editor, it is written in the manual but not very visible XD
as you may want to "stop" the engine from creating 3D objects before you comfortably load them,
you can set "processing_step" of "engine_object" to "-3" at start of frame.
This will "stop" the pre-processing phase of the engine, telling him not to create anything.
Then, when you're done loading your 3D objects, you can set "processing_step" to "0",
and the engine will start creating things basing on what's present in the Map layer as it usually does