Problem with paste into background in direct 3d

Hi i posted this problem some months ago, at that time i was under the impression this was only an issue with android/ouya builds, however today I've discovered that changing the display mode on a project from standard to direct3d 8 or 9 also causes the problem. Whats happening is after a certain number of objects have pasted into the background, it stops working.
I would greatly appreciate if someone could help me solve this problem.
Question: has this been fixed in newer builds of Fusion?
I'm currently using 2.5 build R283.5

One other thing I've been running into speed issues with ouya based games, they seem slower than even on a phone. Does anyone know what might be causing this and how it can be solved?

If I remember correctly, pasted objects count in respect to the max object amount limit

try raising maximum objects allowed in the frame properties and see if that makes any difference?

They don't count in earlier versions of Clickteam products. What if I want unlimited objects pasted into the background?

I don't think it's possible (not above 20000).

Try this mfa:
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does the pasting objects stops when counter reach "500"?

Try raising object count to 600.
Now pasting stops when counter equal 600?

It happens like this to me.

So it would seem there's a relationship between pasted objects and object count,
although you can't see pasted object among object count in the debugger.

Im checking it out, but i don't really see the point. Obviously the pasted objects are being counted as unique instances, my point is the earlier paste routines never used to be counted, so you could paste infinitely. This seems like a slightly irritating limitation, since i always liked the paste into background feature.

Then I can't understand what you are asking for - sorry X)

If you know that earlier Fusion vesion could paste indefinitely (I don't know)
and that new ones can't (as it seems to be)
... you would like this to be changed?

A bugbox call maybe?
(I would like no pasting limits too XD)

If your project is windows only you could think at other solutions otherwise - i.e. Surface object

But re-reading your first post,
maybe you're saying that the issue you are experiencing is not related to this specific limitation
(which I suggested to check thinking it could be the cause),
but on something else having to do with D3D?

I feel confused >:)

I while ago I sent Fernando an example and he claimed it was working fine for him,
http://community.clickteam.com/threads/95251-Paste-into-background-not-working-on-android
so either he didn't test it properly or somethings wrong on my end, maybe im missing an update.
Either way im looking for a solution. Nah surface object isn't a good solution.

When Fusion switched to Direct3D (hardware acceleration), it lost the ability to play with pixels in the same way that it used to. While the background used to be just one big overlay that "paste into background" could easily blit pixels into, with HWA, we now have the graphics card rendering a new quad for every single call to "paste into background." While it's unfortunate we had to sacrifice the old functionality, the net gain from switching to Direct3D far outweighed it (increased speed, ability to use HLSL shaders, etc).

However, you can still get the effect of the old overlay-style "paste into background," in a much more flexible manner. There is a really great extension called the Surface object which you can use, and on top of that it's compatible with HLSL shaders. This gif shows an example of the type of effects you can achieve with it. The only problem is it still won't affect the "backdrop" collision mask, which could be a problem depending on what kind of game you're making.

Thank you Ultimate Walrus for clarifying. I can understand the benefits of adopting Direct3d. If I need to use the paste function I will simply use the old mmf. It would be nice if clickteam would provide some-kind of notice or documentation relating to changes like this in the future, to avoid confusion.

I can vouch for how useful the Surface Object is. I got hundreds to thousands of blood drops that splatters on walls and floors that I just simply blit onto the Surface object without having to worry about any object count(also it doesn't wipe away when outside camera view liked pasted backdrops would do).

Sounds promising, I'll check it out. I think i was getting the surface object confused with an older plugin.