How do I adress duplicated actives independently?

[TheChiller]

Before wreaking total havoc, I wanted to ask you guys again.

Imagine a game board full of tiles. Each tile is one of our alphabet's letters, therefore obtains one of its animations randomly.
As I don't want to clone each tile, I'd rather duplicate them so I could change one's animation value and it gets altered for all of them and I could save many event lines.

The only thing bothering me now is one problem I have with duplicated actives: I don't know how to adress them independently.
In a CF2.5 tutorial I once read that each active in a running application owns a special fixed value. I tried this out many times experimenting with something like a memory game (picking up/ turning cards) but failed.
In this case I have 4 actives duplicated out of one (=5) and set the animation value of the active to random. When I say "New touch on Active -> set counter to anim value (Active)" no matter which of the five ones I click, having various animations (letters A-Z), I get the same animation value from all five.
Same happens when I try to replace a particular color in the active that has just been clicked. That event line makes all duplicated actives in the running application change that color!
Even if I say "A new touch on Active has started -> set counter to fixed(Active)" and "pick objects with fixed value = value (counter) -> replace color..." all duplicated Actives get the new color.

How can this be? How can I adress each one individually?
Thanks in advance!

[DavidN]

Sometimes, selecting the right instance of an object can be a tricky subject in Fusion, but usually, events select them in a reasonably sensible way - I'm surprised that "New touch on..." doesn't seem to be doing that. Could you try replacing it with a "User clicks left button on..." event with the same object instead to see if that makes a difference? It should count a touch as a click on iOS.

If it turns out the multi-touch object doesn't select instances as expected, you can work around that - see the Fastloops tutorial under the tutorials section on the main Clickteam page. The action "Spread value" is used to give a unique ID to individual instances, even though this isn't obvious from the name.

[TheChiller]

Thanks for the quick and comprehensible answer!

Unfortunately the same misbehavior with adressing all instances is still present when I try the "User clicks" variant.
I will definitely have a look at the tutorial as this is something I need to resolve in the near future. Thanks so far

[Ziplock]

Hopefully, someday in 3.0, we'll get a limit of "Use only on this particular instance," but for now, the easiest way to deal with it is a fastloop.

Always:
-> Spread Value "ID" in "Object"

Always:
-> Start loop "IDLoop" NObjects "Object"


Then any time you want to do anything with one particular instance:

If (Condition)
+ Loop Index of "IDLoop" = "ID" of "Object"
-> (Action)


Limitations:

Both always conditions can't be in the same line.
You can't do anything to alter the animation frames (change color, for example), because that will alter them all.

[TheChiller]

Didn't know it was such a big deal in MMF/ CF and it was just my fault

This sounds more complicated than it actually might be! I tend to recognize what this method is trying to achieve and how but the fact that it can't do the alternation of an active is quite a throwback.
Can't I use the loop index to transfer it to e.g. a counter? A condition could be checking for a change in the counter's value and then process the alternation of the active.

The thing I did not yet understand is: What do you mean by ID? Is it the object's fixed value or what?

Thank you nevertheless!!

[DaveC]

The "ID" in that example is simply an alterable value named "ID" so if you have 5 objects and you spread value "ID", each object will have a unique alterable value (named ID) so you can address them separately.

You can search the forum for "spread value" there will be plenty of examples.

This simpler method by Sparkman might help, I've never done it this way though - http://community.clickteam.com/threads/90620-Unique-alterable-value-of-the-same-object-without-spread-value

[Ziplock]

ID could be any alterable value of that object. I usually up alterable value A to ID.

And it's not so complicated once you get used to the idea that you need this for any individuality for duplication of active objects.

From what I gather (I could be wrong, sorry), you want your five values to be different animations at the start of your frame, and you want your counter to change to whichever you click?


Try this:

Always:
-> Spread Value 0 in Alterable Value A of "Object"

Start of Frame:
-> Start Loop "Animation Start" NObjects "Object"

OnLoop "Animation Start"
+ Alterable Value A of "Object" = LoopIndex of "Animation Start":
-> Change Animation Sequence of "Object" to Random (26) (Or as many animations as you have)

User Clicks on "Object":
-> Set Counter to Current Animation Value of "Object"


Hope I got that right.

[Fernando]

MM, did you see this game

https://play.google.com/store/apps/d...2m.bestsong001

it is something like this

letters, this is only one active object created and handle independently

[BtheDestroyer]

You can always follow the Snail method and create the actives at runtime using fast loops instead of duplicating them, then giving them a value relative to the loop(s) position.

If you had 2 loops, you could do this:

Start of frame: Fast Loop "Active Gen X" 10 times.
On Fast Loop "Active Gen X": Fast Loop "Active Gen Y" 10 times.
On Fast Loop "Active Gen Y": Create "Active" at 0,0; Set "Active"'s X position to "Active Gen X"'s index*32; Set "Active"'s Y position to "Active Gen Y"'s index*32; Set "Active"'s Alterable Value "ID" to: ("Active Gen X"'s index*10)+("Active Gen Y"'s index)

1. I know you don't need parentheses but I don't trust fusion's math most of the time...
2. I'd color code this and make it prettier but I don't have the time.

[ProdigyX]

The "Replace Color" action is not applied on an instance-by-instance basis but rather on entire objects. So if you replace white with red for one instance of an object, all instances of that object will also have white replaced with red.

If you want to learn a bit about how to object scope and ensure proper object selection, you can check out the example MFA file under "Downloads" at http://fusion.xable.info/object-scoping.php