Whole game in 1 frame?

[camelman]

Do you guys out there think it's practical to fit an entire game into one frame? (exluding title screen, clipscenes, and save/load file menu of course.) I am having soooo many problems by using many different frames. Especially If I decide to change something in the code after I have already made about 10+ levels. Then I have to go back and repeat the process times the number of levels. It is so frustrating, and I'm constantly getting major glitches by accidentally skipping pieces of code here and there, or forgetting to name something, ect. I would use behaviors to solve this problem but as I have said in a previous post imo they are far too limited for games.

Anyways I assume the size of the finished map will be around 40,000 x 30,000, or possibly even larger. I plan to de-activate almost every object that isn't a certain distance from the players. I know it is hard to tell considering I can't estimate the amount of objects in the frame, but does anyone out there think a frame of such size would lag terribly?

Also, so I don't end up making another post I was wondering if someone can help me with this: Everytime I make a shooting game, I get this glitch that happens only like 1 out of 100 times playing/testing the game. Whenever my player shoots somewhere past 200 bullets, the shooting doesn't work anymore. The soundeffects still play, but no objects (flash from gun, or explosion from bomb) appear anymore, and the player quits shooting. Whenever this happens, almost every object that uses the "create at" action doesnt work. I'm thinking this might be a result of using "restrict actions for 00".18" for my players shooting, as this glitch seems to happen only if I add that condition. However as I said earlier this glitch happens VERY rarely and I'm not entirely able to test if this is the problem. Also, I added "destroy bullet if distance is -30 from edge of window" so the problem isn't that the bullets are adding up and going past the allowed limit set in preferences.

Sorry for such a long post but I need to fix this stuff lol :P Thanks for any help.

[Ran_TH]

You can, but I think it would be more difficult than separate it to many frames.

[Jacob]

Increase the object limit in the game. Default is 500.
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[camelman]

In the debugger for the frame the glitch happened there are only 350 objects. I already checked that, thats why I wrote:

Also, I added "destroy bullet if distance is -30 from edge of window" so the problem isn't that the bullets are adding up and going past the allowed limit set in preferences.

And just for reference I've been using clickteam products for years, no offense but I keep getting replies as if I don't know a thing about MMF lol.

[Nifflas]

The Knytt level, which is built into a single frame, is 32400x1920 pixels. It's getting close to the number of backdrop objects that a frame can have (I know, because I got past it before I started to use motif quick backdrops). The frame has 4742 active objects, all inactive when out of window. I remember that a few MMF2 features (e.g. on collide) stopped working, probably due to the number of objects, so I had to replace them with other events instead (on overlap).

It really worked out well in Knytt, but I can at the other hand not recommend it. A 40000x30000 world is probably approximately 10 times as large as the Knytt world. I would not attempt this in MMF2, Knytt was already pushing the limitations.

[Bernie]

If you were to load your levels into your frame, the whole game in 1 frame game thing works very well. (As in define your max. level size, save/load level from array and so on.) Would such an approach also suffice for your needs? I suppose it depends on the game you want to make.

I've also experienced hiccups, slowdowns and strange things with really large frames. :/

[Blizna]

I doubt there is limit in backdrops - my MMORPG has whole world in one frame, and its tilebased terrain! There is more than 30 000 of background tiles.

[Nifflas]

Yes, but Knytt has nearly 65535, and above that number, you won't get it to work. Believe me, I have already ran into this.

[camelman]

So basically making a game in one frame isn't too reliable, especially if there are tons of actives/backdrops, am I correct? I definately couldn't do that then, as this game revolves around an infested planet, which means thousands and thousands of enemies, and much more :P Guess I'll just have to get my events a bit more straightened out.

[Nifflas]

Well, if you build a custom level format like Knytt Stories has, your levels can be more or less infinitely large and still be built into a single MMF2 frame.