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[Gustav]

That's odd. You should have a look if the sub-app exists at runtime.
So you can create a counter and set it always to NObjects( "Sub-Application" ).
If the counter always shows 0, there is no sub-app. Then maybe the menu frame ends itself.

Or add the sub-app to the debugger. If there is no sub-app in the debugger at runtime, there is no sub-app.

[Jibs]

I set the counter NObjects( "Sub-Application" ), it showed a 1/

not sure how to add sup-app to the debugger though. I've never used the debugger before.

[Gustav]

You can add an object to the debugger in the Event Editor.
For example: Start of Frame : choose under the object "Debugger > Add object to debugger"

But if the counter says 1, there should be a sub-app.
Now you have to play around. For example, create a button and say Show to the sub-app.
Or delete it at Start of Frame and create and show it when you click on the test-button.
You can leave the counter there to see what's going on in the background.

[Jibs]

hmm I added to debugger, but I don't know what the debugger does, or how to open it, I've never used it...

but making buttons doesn't help. Sense The sub app wont show up to begin with there's got to be something wrong with it...I've already tried start of frame show under visibility, start of frame restart application, start of frame resume application (pretty much just testing anything and everything here, lol) nothing makes it show..

but to test the idea of a button out, I put the same conditions on when user clicks object, and used an active object..still nothing..

here's the weird part...in nivrams example, his works fine on my computer..

[Gustav]

The last thing... Make the coordinates of the sub-app visible, maybe it's far away from the screen. lol

You can put the Window Control object in the menu frame and set the position:
Start of Frame : Set Position to 4
Then it should be in the center of the screen/frame/window.

[Jibs]

no It's completely my fault, lol. I'm running frame instead of application. I was doing that because all my menus weren't set up yet....but I'm guessing since sub app is frame within application you probably have to run the whole application and not just a frame, lol.

[Gustav]

Great.